Jewelery & Gem Scams, Bangkok
Hi, I'm glad I'm reading this, because the exact same thing has happened to our family so apparently we're not alone in this. We were planning to go on our last day in Thailand to the national museum, so when we were trying to find it, this guy comes up to us, saying he's a teacher and that today is a special day. He said to us a couple of things to visit, which were only open this day, and he also said the national museum wasn't open today untill 4PM. We feeling very lucky so we decided to take the governement taxi, like he said us to do. It was actually very nice so we were glad we met this guy, the tuktukdriver seemed like also an honest guy, we even treated him with a free lunch. So we visited a few temples (which he said were only open today) and then he took us to Baan Thai Gems Co. We said it already in the beginning of our trip that we wouldn't buy anything, that we'd be smarter than that. But then we came into the store and everything seemed so nice and trustworthy. So we decided we would take a look. Immediately a woman comes to us and explains all kinds of stuff. We ended up buying a charm, which costed us around 500 euros. Looking back now, I realise that many things weren't allright, and that I should have noticed it. I feel very stupid for falling for this, but everything seemed fine. I think the worst thing is that all of these people were involved, people who looked very friendly and nice. Back home, we asked some juwellers what our gem was worth and it turned out to be worth only 50euros. We are now all very angry and dissapointed. We first thought to send a mail to the Tourist Police but they might be involved in this too so that wouldn't help much. I don't understand how anyone can do this. I really want to do something, maybe try to get our money back or at least warn as many people as possible to prevent this from happening. Is there someone who might help me? We aren't very rich people, so this was a guess and we guessed wrong. I know that many people in the world don't even have these kinds of problems because they don't even have money to buy clothes/food for themselves of their children, but I just want to stop these things from happening. I want to do my best to stop these horrible, scandalous people from stealing from tourists who don't know better, because they don't deserve to have our money.
We were stopped on our way to Wat Po. A man handing us a flyer listed the name of Tourist Police and its phone number of 1155 printed on flyer. He did not wear a police uniform and did not claim to be a tourist police either. By handing the flyer, he made us assume that he is the tourist police which is totally false. He told us that Wat Po would be close till 2:00 PM and that we should visit the Royal Temple which was open only once a year to the public. He then offered to flag down a a Tuk Tuk to take us to the Royal Temple. When arriving at the Royal Temple, we were shown to the side garden where we met a man who claimed to be the restoration architect of the Royal Temple. He told us that there was a ceremony going on at the temple and the ceremony would be over in 15 minutes. He asked us to sit down and impressed us with stories about the Karma theory of Buddhism and about his successful children graduated from universities in America. He then proceeded to mention about Baan Thai Gems located at Dusit area in Bangkok. He said that his family bought lots of jewelries from Baan Thai Gems. He actually is wearing two big rings full of diamonds and Rubies. He convinced us that Baan Thai Gems was open only once a year for the public and we should definitely visit the store to get the good deal. He then got a taxi for us to go to Baan Thai Gems. We ended up buying a ruby ring which costs us $3,500 dollars. We just got back to New York and found out from our gemologist friend that the ring actually value is only $150 !
From my bad experiences, the lessons I learn are:
- Do not trust anyone who tells you that temples are closed and do not let them get you a Tuk Tuk or taxi to go to any destination that they suggest.
- never shop at Baan Thai Gems at Dusit , Bangkok which will trick you into buying jewelries that are charged 20 times more than regular value.
- tourist police always wears uniform so DO NOT trust anyone who does not wear police uniform and claims to a police officer.
- if anyone stops you on the street and asks you where you are from, tell them you are from Bangkok and just walk on. Con artists prey on naive tourists. They try to get your trust by striking an innocent conversation and trick you into sophisticated jewelry scams. Enjoy your time in Bangkok but always be on your guards against con men.
We were led by the Tourist Police from the Old City area to another temple and recommended to visit Baan Thai Gems Co. Ltd. The Tourist Police hired a tuk-tuk for us. At the other temple (the Royal burial ground) we were met with a 'Gentleman' who claimed he was restoring the temple for the King for the last 10 years and talked about Buddhism and good Karma. He also mentioned about this great sale only for the day at Baan Thai Gems Co. Ltd. He took us around the temple and then hired a cab for us which took us to Baan Thai Gems Co. Ltd. in the Dusit area. There we were met by the lady 'Porn' who hardly gave us any time to think and ultimately we bought a 'Gem', which later turned out to be heavily overvalued. Essentially we got cheated by all these smooth talking people.
So please don't buy gems in Bangkok and be careful in trusting the Tourist Police and smooth talking Gentlemen (and women). I am posting a picture we managed to take of the back of the 'gentlemen' who took us around the temple. Unfortunately we didn't take a picture with his face on it! But just in case it helps. In case you run into him, please be careful!
DON't BUY GEMS in BANGOK! BE CAREFUL WHILE TRUSTING THE TOURIST POLICE AND OTHERS IN BANGKOK!
As a few others have mentioned, the Lucky Buddha temple is one of the favorite places to target tourists. I was scammed in 2002 for about $3,000. Ouch. I was surprised to see an episode on Scam City and it's still going on now, 10 years later. It prompted me to write a detailed post on my blog about it: http://bbqboy.net/falling-for-the-bangkok-gem-scam/
Once back in Canada, I tried to get help through the Thai Police, The Thai Jem and Jewellers Association, and the Thai Consulate in Ottawa. They were all useless. You best bet if you get scammed is the Thai department of Internal Affairs who can "negotiate" with the store for a refund. Unfortunately, most of these stores close and then re-open under a different name. As I say in my blog, at least you're scammed with charm - in Rio the'd just stick a gun in your face. A hard earned lesson.
In every country there are tourist traps and more tourist traps. In my travels China takes the cake in the number of assorted jewelry factories that your tour guide will send you to have time to look at the assorted products. Thailand is not an exception but in Bangkok, there is only one big jewelry factory that all the tours will send the tourists whether the big tour group or the small and personalized tours. The jewelry scam here is the Gems Gallery International, it claims to have the world biggest jewelry store and they have 4 branches, on here in Bangkok and at Pattaya, Phuket and Chiangmai. It has a 7,200 square meter showroom of assorted jewels and thai handicrafts which are really expensive. I don't really buy jewelry as it is not my thing and I hate it when trour companies make cumpolsory stops at jewelry stores in most countries in the world. The end of the city tours in bangkok will leave you here at the gem gallery and from here, there are assigned drivers and vans that take the tourists to various hotels in Bangkok.
they don't allow pictures inside so I don't have pictures of the jewelry showrooms.
Opens 9:00 am to 7:00 pm
Address: Samsen Nai, Phaya Thai Bangkok 10400, Thailand
After reading all the warnings about the gemstone scams I opted to go to the government gemstone store in bangkok. I bought a certificated sapphire ring in a silver setting for 200GBP. I was told by them that if I have any problems they will offer a refund without issue. I returned home and realised from my local jeweller that although the sapphire is genuine the actual cost of the stone is about 8GBP. I have no come back with the shop in Thailand because what they sold to me was what they claimed it to be....a sapphire and silver ring.....they still rip you off with the price. My advice is that if it's seems too good to be true it usually is!! Be prepared to be scammed in these places unless you are an expert jeweller and know the prices are accurate for whatever it is that you're buying.
It was exactly happened to me. But me and my gf ald back to sg today. We bought about S$3k and checked at sg jewel shop and the shop claims that it only worth for few hundred dollars. Reported to sg police but they said they can't do much regarding with Thai police and only give suggestion to go Thai embassy (singapore). Anything you all can help? Pls advise. Friendly, we are not rich people. Like what the man (lucky buddha temple) said, buy things for old age. Help me. Really can't sleep after read about the article and reported to police. Thailand is a kind of full with scam. You all know, I even treat a meal to the scam *** whose guide around after bought that gems. What a shame. Pls take care.
erawan lapidary 101-103 prachathipatai rd bankhunprom
hi we had the same story happening to us we got a tuk tuk 40 bath for the day got told was last day tourist tax free, went to lucky buddha and couldnt go to the temple cause the monks were having a prey, a thai man was there start talking to us and saying was last day of tax free and we should go to the export center and get good deal , next tuk tuk stop of course was the lapidary jewellery shop, we didn t plan to buy any expensive stuff, but at the end thought was good deal , than went home searched in the internet and red all this stuff about it.
ok now we are in bangkok, they insist to send the ring back to italy where I`m from so now we are here and thinking is the ring really going to be shipped and if so is going to be really worth it the money we paid for (70.000 bath for 18 k white gold ring)
same night went to a restaurant nearby the hotel , all locals no tourists, we met a local police officer he was nice had a chat and shared some stories.
same night went home and a a chat with a friend he lives here since 11 years and when we mention about the ring he said was a scam. so our head start spinning couldnt sleep thinking we`ve been ripped off about the real price of the ring. we are not rich.
next day we were feeling *** about all was happening and the fact we didnt know if the ring was really worth it what we pay , red some more bad review in the internet and decide to go back to the restaurant to see if we could met the police officer again and explain the story and get an opinion.
went there he was having a dinner with his friends, after a while he came talk to us and straight away ask if he knew about this jewellery shop, he didnt know, I showed him the piece of paper they gave me in the jewellery store and he straight away advice us to go back to the shop and ask for authentic certificate of the value of the ring, than he advice us to go back to the shop and ask for a certificate of value of the ring.
lets see whats happen tomorrow we are going to the shop and talk to erawan lapidary
I hope this is going to end up good we`ve been travelling for years never thought we were gonna be scammed
keep in touch will post more
We haven't able to book online for a hotel to stay so when we arrived in Suvarnabhumi Airport, while looking for the public transport in Sukhumvit, there's this old, fat man that approached my friend and I. He dressed in a coat that made him look a professional. He said he's working for the Royal Pacific Hotel Bangkok. Since we're looking for a place to stay, we listened on what he can offer. Exhausted and ready to sleep, we agreed to stay in their hotel and because they have this free tour on our 1st day- w/ car service and tourist guide. Well, for 1st time travelers... we got excited.
to make the story short, after the tour of some of the temples... We stopped by a jewelry shop!
The tourist guide says that 1st jewelry shop was one of the official gem/jewelry manufacturers of Bangkok and said that even Nicholas Cage was able to visit this shop after shooting his movie. And yes, they were able to prove it and we saw his picture with the staffs.
My friend and I weren't really into gems/jewelries that we kept on murmuring to each other that we mustn't spend too much money because we will still be shopping in Platinum Mall.
We were seriously scared at that moment since we were left by our tourist guide!!!!
There's this uneasy feeling we had when we can't make up our minds since the staffs doesn't want to leave us until we buy something. So we decided to buy anything, the cheapest that we can buy!!!! oh gawd!
And you know what, we were dropped by to a 2nd jewelry shop!!!!!!!!! again!!!!!!!!!! grrrrrrrr!!!!
but my friend and I agreed that we mustn't mind the staffs even they have their fierce looks on us without any purchase at all! That was the 2nd time, we were left again by our tourist guide! What a prankster!
They weren't contented by those jewelry shops, they also dropped us to the Jim Thompsons' tailoring shop and finally to their travel agency office! The office staff offered us if we were interested to book for another tour on the other part of Thailand (I can’t remember where)! OMG! We really had enough! They really insisted! and that's what I really hate like when you have no options to choose from! No freedom! Being forced to do something you don’t want! But I made myself firm to say “NO” because we don't need it! The agency staff wasn’t able to force us but he called for his manager to escalate the issue.
They’re really insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The manager wanted to find out why we can’t accept the offer, I said we just DON’T want it and we only have limited time to travel in Thailand. I even made up stories just to let us out in their office!
I dunno why there are people who take advantage and deceive others.
It seems from my story that I haven’t moved on yet.. haha, nah… I’m okay now. I just can’t help the uneasy feeling I had, at that moment. I believe that what goes around; comes back around. God Bless them!
Lesson learned: Don’t accept hotel offers from people in the airport. They would really bring you mischief by taking you to the gem/jewelry shops. Book your hotels in advance.
At the exit, down at the last floor (I don't remember), a middle size booth. It was somewhere in the basement. I travel to Bangkok frequently and had experienced many but not like this one. Me and my wife and a daughter arrived in Bangkok last year. I met a middle aged lady at the booth who was very nice, spoke Essan (Lao language) to me and offered me a tour service to "ONLY" the Green Emerald Buddha palace, and no other place in the middle. I agreed. The next morning, I got picked up by a tour guide lady in a sedan car. I got done with the palace early because it was very very hot and my daughter was starting to have a high fever. And also for the safety of my 1 year old daughter. We got in the car and thought we would be dropped off back at the hotel but NO, the tour guide kept insisting and demanding, and very rude at the end that we need to see some sort of crafts and gems factories and shops.
Be very very careful! Be super care if you are Lao citizens or Lao overseas.
The classic scam is the jewellery scam. Watch out for tuk-tuk drivers who tell you the attraction you want to go to is closed (it's generally not) but they will take you to another one istead (normally a jewellery shop they get commission from). Others may even refuse to take you where you want to go unless you agree to visit a the above mentioned jewellery shop. My travel mate decided she wanted to check out some earrings, and would not hear the word scam - so we were taken to a jewellery shop. She ended up buying a pair of golden earrings - not even too cheap - and decided to wear them the same evening. needless to say she got an infection - hence golden my a**! Should you want to buy jewellery, go to an approved thai gem and jewellery trader association shop: you'll pay more, but you'll at least get what you pay for
A gentle reminder to all who visit this site. All these scams are real. I am an experienced traveller who was "scammed" into buying a low grade ruby for a great deal of money. Even the jeweller of the Swissotel Nai Lert Park was unhelpful prob due to their local courtesy. There is no special one day discount in Thailand at all. The Thai Local Product is a sham factory. There is simply no redress from the Thai Police so as a traveller, let it be reminded that "buyer bewares". The warnings about tuk-tuk or friendly teacher or lawyer are true. They can suss out gullibles [even I looked so and they were correct]. They will all claim relationships with Southeast Asians or produce false testimonies. Remember these scamsters are very sophisticated. My BKK trip was lovely but marred by these scams. Resist all temptation to buy from these shops and stick to the Thai friends' recommended ones.
When walking on the street of Bangkok, you will see roadside makeshift stalls selling what looks like precious stones or gems or antique watch.
From the humble display, you should know better. There no cheap stuff unless they are really cheap in the first place. If you want to buy them as a token, that is fine. Interesting to look at anyway.
If I am in Sydney, waiting out the front of David Jones department store or Sydney Opera House waiting for the doors to open and some chap comes up to me and tells me the shop/Opera House won't open and I should go off with him, or some other nonsense, I am, at the very least, going to tell him to nick off. So what is the difference between Thailand and your own country when it comes to common sense? Especially when every guidebook/website/forum on Thailand, without exception warns you to ignore such people.
By the way, I am not having a bar of the airport scam tales and I don't know of one person (and I know hundreds of people who use Bangkok airport regularly) that has been caught by this alleged scam. So, in my opinion it is either total nonsense, or very, very rare.
We just returned from a package tour to Bangkok and pattaya, and though we enjoyed the trip, my impression of thailand has gone so bad that I will never return to this country, simply because the police or thai tourist authorities just donot care (or worse are hand in glove with day light scamsters).We were travelling to Bangkok from Pattaya when our guide announced that we would be taken to a 'govt. owned' Gem factory where we would be shown how gems are 'cut and polished' and then they would show us there the world's biggest jewelry store, which by the size of it may be true(big as a football stadium). They showed us a short film very impressively made about how Thailand was the biggest source of precious colored gems and this factory was the biggest. We were then taken down to the store where there are rows and rows of gems displayed immaculately and the smmoth talking sales girls 'talked' 6 of the families to make various purchases all amounting to about 75,000 Bahts. Even those of us who did not have cash were brainwashed smoothly to use our credit cards. We returned to our home country yesterday and when we appraised these 'precious gems' and gold jewelry the overall cost is not more than 1,000 bahts at the very most ( we cross checked with atleast 4 leading gemologists). After we realised how badly we were scammed we saw that the receipts and certificate have been given in the name of 'KK jewelers" and there is no mention of VSK any where(I couldnot also Google there website). I tried the phone numbers to no avail and we are couriering back the 'junk jewelry' back to this scamster and am trying to complain to he Thai tourist authorities about these crooks. PLEASE BE AWARE AND DONOT BUY ANY JEWELRY ORGEMS ANY WHERE IN BANGKOK. I wish some body had educated us about this fraud before.